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    Ok, here's the jist of my situation: I have employed a cleaning person that has been applying for disability because she has multiple health issues, including severe knee pain. She and her husband live on the property that I manage (and have her employed to clean). I have known for some time that her husband often "helps her out" on her bad days, and told them previously that was ok, but it seems that more often than not lately, I see HIM doing the entire job that SHE is supposed to do, and started asking questions about if this is legal for us to have a person on the payroll while knowing someone ELSE is actually doing the work, and seemed to get consistent feedback that it creates Worker's Comp. issues, etc., and that it is NOT a good practice. I called them BOTH into my office to address this issue, and she not only admitted HE had been doing the bulk of the work, but that she had just spoken to her doctor and was going to have to be off work because she is now restricted from doing basically EVERYTHING the job entails. (Lots of steps to climb, carrying a vacuum is something specifically the doctor told her NOT to do.) So, I told them that he CANNOT keep doing all the work while we cut checks to HER, and we all seemed to think then and there that the best solution to this was to take her OFF the payroll and put him ON, since he was willing to do that, and that way if there is a work related injury, etc., our worker's comp. covers who is actually doing the job. She thought this might also be a better option since she is trying to get disability and had to recently prove that she was not making the full amount on her checks because of her husband's "help". We signed a mutual statement that she would no longer be working for us due to her physical limitations making it impossible. I find out a week later that she has filed for UNEMPLOYMENT, saying I fired her for her disability. (WHAT?!?!?!) I don't feel they will give it to her, but I have a mountain of paperwork to do now, and am concerned that we will now be stuck paying him for the original job AND her on top of it for unemployment, which will hurt big time. I thought if a person was physically incabable of doing the job or seeking full time work, they were ineligible for unemployment, although I do understand ANYONE can apply and see what the system says. I thought it was better for us to have the person DOING the work on the payroll, and that we are actually required to do so. I did not think it is normal practice in most workplaces for spouse, son, etc. to show up, punch in and do so-and-so's job, and thought there are probably laws AGAINST it! Was this the right way to go? Are we maybe going to get stuck paying her unemployment? And what exactly should I say on these forms that might make our case stronger or understood by ODJFS? Any suggestions? Thanks.

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    You can appeal any determination of compensation for unemployement, but you have to do it in writing and within their deadlines (so if you've received a Determination of Benefits appeal NOW, if you get the Statement of unemployment compensation paid it will be too late), and they are sticklers for it. Appealing does not stop unemployment payments, but if you win, she would be required to pay back all unemployment payments received. When you appeal, you have to have documentation in writing (preferably with her signature) as to why she left the position, and it would have to not be an accepted reason for unemployment filings. According to the ODJFS, (ODJFS Online | Unemployment Compensation FAQ's) requirements are as follows:
    What are the requirements to establish eligibility?
    There are two types of requirements. The first type of requirement is monetary (weeks and wages). The applicant must:
    * Be unemployed at the time of filing; and
    * Have at least 20 qualifying weeks of covered employment in the base period and
    * Earn an average weekly wage of at least $213.00 (this amount changes each year).
    The second type of requirement is non-monetary (unemployment must be through no fault of the applicant).

    A more detailed list is here: Ohio Unemployment Claims – Complete Guide | File Unemployment
    1. You must have lost your job through no fault of your own. That means if you have quit job voluntarily you may not qualify for unemployment insurance. However, there are exceptions - such as working in hazardous or inhuman working conditions etc. to this rule.
    2. You must be willing and able to work. If you are physically disabled, you do not qualify.
    3. If you have received severance package when you lost job, you do not qualify.
    4. You must have earned minimum wage credits. Ohio State minimum weeks of covered employment requirement (employer must have paid unemployment taxes on your behalf): 20
    5. Minimum wages earned during the base period: $4200. This amount may change every year. You can get get complete eligibility criteria and the benefits calculator from state website mentioned in the next section.

    But I am not so sure I would rely on the second website, as the first is the official one. At this point it's a murky issue, as to whether she quit (not eligible) or you fired her (may be eligible). The biggest thing they look for is documentation. You will not be allowed to talk to the person who decides the appeal (unless your appeal fails and you appeal the rejection of your appeal, in which case you'll have to present your side in person) it has to be done in writing. So your best bet is to explain, as clearly and succinctly as possible exactly what happened, and include any documentation. Her signing a "mutual statement" should help if they take it that she left the position voluntarily. As someone who works in payroll, I agree that it would be nightmare if her husband was working her job; as you say, with BWC issues and not to mention the rest of the taxes... I think you did the right thing in putting him on the payroll instead of her. Most people, I think, don't understand that their former employees foot the bill for their unemployment payments. It won't hit you now, it will hit next year, when they adjust your rate upwards to compensate for having paid her this year, if your appeal does not go through. If you need more details on how exactly payments work I can give you that.

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    You can appeal any determination of compensation for unemployement, but you have to do it in writing and within their deadlines (so if you've received a Determination of Benefits appeal NOW, if you get the Statement of unemployment compensation paid it will be too late), and they are sticklers for it. Appealing does not stop unemployment payments, but if you win, she would be required to pay back all unemployment payments received. When you appeal, you have to have documentation in writing (preferably with her signature) as to why she left the position, and it would have to not be an accepted reason for unemployment filings. According to the ODJFS, (ODJFS Online | Unemployment Compensation FAQ's) requirements are as follows:
    What are the requirements to establish eligibility?
    There are two types of requirements. The first type of requirement is monetary (weeks and wages). The applicant must:
    * Be unemployed at the time of filing; and
    * Have at least 20 qualifying weeks of covered employment in the base period and
    * Earn an average weekly wage of at least $213.00 (this amount changes each year).
    The second type of requirement is non-monetary (unemployment must be through no fault of the applicant).

    A more detailed list is here: Ohio Unemployment Claims – Complete Guide | File Unemployment
    1. You must have lost your job through no fault of your own. That means if you have quit job voluntarily you may not qualify for unemployment insurance. However, there are exceptions - such as working in hazardous or inhuman working conditions etc. to this rule.
    2. You must be willing and able to work. If you are physically disabled, you do not qualify.
    3. If you have received severance package when you lost job, you do not qualify.
    4. You must have earned minimum wage credits. Ohio State minimum weeks of covered employment requirement (employer must have paid unemployment taxes on your behalf): 20
    5. Minimum wages earned during the base period: $4200. This amount may change every year. You can get get complete eligibility criteria and the benefits calculator from state website mentioned in the next section.

    But I am not so sure I would rely on the second website, as the first is the official one. At this point it's a murky issue, as to whether she quit (not eligible) or you fired her (may be eligible). The biggest thing they look for is documentation. You will not be allowed to talk to the person who decides the appeal (unless your appeal fails and you appeal the rejection of your appeal, in which case you'll have to present your side in person) it has to be done in writing. So your best bet is to explain, as clearly and succinctly as possible exactly what happened, and include any documentation. Her signing a "mutual statement" should help if they take it that she left the position voluntarily. As someone who works in payroll, I agree that it would be nightmare if her husband was working her job; as you say, with BWC issues and not to mention the rest of the taxes... I think you did the right thing in putting him on the payroll instead of her. Most people, I think, don't understand that their former employees foot the bill for their unemployment payments. It won't hit you now, it will hit next year, when they adjust your rate upwards to compensate for having paid her this year, if your appeal does not go through. If you need more details on how exactly payments work I can give you that.

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