Is an "all female" apartment building legal?

[legal70]

Is it legal to have an all female/male apt. building in new york? What are the rules on having exclusive gender clubs/associations?

thank you.

[mncoyote]

I don't know about there but here in Minnesota we have apartments and dorms that are all men and all women and this is for the purpose of keeping problems from happening with men and women and sexual harassment or assaults and so on.. if that makes sense.. sometimes half way homes also do this and treatment centers or places too do this... check on your housing laws and rights in your area...

[legal70]

I'm just wondering because it seems like women are invading men's clubs and then I read about all-female apartment buildings. Not to mention illegal sexist discrimination like women being able to get into night clubs for free while men have to pay. Seems that women what to have their cake and eat it too.

[mncoyote]

Some bars and clubs do that to get the women in the bars so that the men have some women to look at... sounds like it is a crazy thing but they doo that other wise it will be all men and then it can get boring lol... to me not really funny ... but if they can get women in there with the men they can make even more money with just all men or women cause it seems that everyone drinks and spends more that way to impress the other and so on...

we even have ladies night just so that they can attrack the women into the bar and then those nights yes men have to pay a fee to get in or cover charge but then they also have a lot of women to chose from... and yes seems that the women like that idea too... atleast the ones that go for that reason... but you have a point and also there are curiosities I have with this too cause some women do have a problem with men invading thier women things but yet they can invade the men stuff... another good thing for me to investigate lol... I love this research and investigating thing... maybe I will do a pole on this on my myspace and facebook accounts and see what I get for a result there....

[legal70]

well that reasoning is FALSE. there are other places where women have to pay and they do pay. so assuming that women won't go out just because they have to pay is DEAD WRONG. and if guys have to pay just to have women in their presence, then they are better off just paying for hookers because that's essentially what they're doing. they're gambling on the women putting out. why gamble when you can just pay for a sure thing.

and the guys who think that ladies night is going to solve their problems are usually socially inept guys who don't really understand how to pick up women in the first place so their reasoning is off to begin with..

but i'm more concerned with the legality of the issue, not the social failures of incompetent men who don't know how to get a date without having to pay for it. in this day and age when women demand equality, they either need to put their money where their mouth is or admit that they are second class citizens that require artificial and illegal manipulation of the economy just to make themselves socially acceptable to men.

[mncoyote]

I don't mean to sound bad but just what I have seen and yes it does go both ways... and to me that is a crazy thing... I also know of some chat lines and some dating sites that also will either give ladies a break on charges just to get more into the site cause not many frequent them... I am the type of person that notices a lot of these things... and yes if someone is willing to pay that is their choice but also you do have a point too cause both men and women should not be that desperate to pay just to get the opposite sex...

but also if they do have an all womens or mens club they should be able to have that privacy and I can understand and do understand cause as a woman I do want to get away of the dating scene and married life and just have other women to talk to no dating no messing around and maybe do crafts, talk about feelings, be there as a way of support and or just to escape the opposite sex... and yes I agree to the fact that it is okay for men to have their men things that do not include women and the same for women too... I feel that it does make a healthier relationship in life if they have their own free time to get away from the opposite sex and do things that only men do and only women do.. and also it is okay to share something and activities together also... and yes it is also true and that is what I was trying to say that the opposite sex does at times step to far and that is not right and disrespectful... sorry if you misunderstood me... but you also have a great point and eveyone should see that....

[legal70]

I think that

[legal70]

I think that you make some great observations that not many women have made.

[legal70]

Also I found a great read about this subject that goes into more specifics:

Principles 101

[mncoyote]

I have learned how to be observant because I have been in a situation where something happened to me and I did not have enough to prosecute but after that I have learned how to observe and also how to document things when needed... I also when younger and partied a lot seen a lot of things both men and women and seen so many things they pulled on the other and also heard them brag about things that are so dumb and so mean and don't like that kind of stuff. I also know how it feels to be on the receiving end of the bad and would not want to put anyone through that not even my enemies.. I will even help my enemy if they were dying...

It is just me... but then if you put me in danger or mess with me and my kids I will protect myself... as my ex husband is doing right now... but that has nothing to do with my feelings and thoughts on this topic and I am going to check out that link you posted...

take care

[jilliaus03]

First of all, anyone who classifies him/herself as an "observant" and avid researcher should be aware of how to spell the work "attract," but I digress . . .

There are many circumstances where housing can legally be segregated by sex. Most often this deals with issues of safety. There are also moral issues involved when landlords and private education institutions don't feel the sexes should be living together outside of marriage. Ultimately, you would need to reveal whether a public or private entity owns the property and verify where the property is located (many users of this website fail to heed the jurisdictional markers).

As a further note: Many of the instances of female "special treatment," as you've so usefully pointed out, have more to deal with private businesses attracting (there's that word again) customers in order to profit than they do legitimate discrimination. If it was a business strategy that didn't work, it wouldn't be so often used. The fact of the matter is that men are not likely to patronize a night club that is consistently full of men with very few women. Therefore, anything to get more women through the door usually brings more men with full wallets, too. This isn't an instance of women getting their cake and eating it, too, or even legalized prostitution, but merely capitalization on the fact that many men are so desperate to be surrounded by women that they're willing to pay for the privilege of being so surrounded, even when there's technically no promise of sexual contact involved.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I've got to take a final stab at your tirade about women being able to live separately from men. Let's ignore the fact that many times women are discriminated against by landlords for having children (which is illegal, by the way) and also do not earn as much in the workplace as men and therefore have more limited real estate options. Let us rather focus on the very real issue of safety, as touched upon above. While I feel that women are equal, it is a fact of life that most sexual assaults committed involve a man assaulting a woman. For this very reason alone, a female-only apartment building can be justified. Until the record shows that women have become a safety hazard towards men, you're just going to have to find yourself another apartment building to live in. Take your bitterness elsewhere.

[fayfay]

You should contact fair housing in your area. Do you feel that there is discrimination going on?

[legaladvice]

I'm just wondering because it seems like women are invading men's clubs and then I read about all-female apartment buildings. Not to mention illegal sexist discrimination like women being able to get into night clubs for free while men have to pay. Seems that women what to have their cake and eat it too.

There is a difference between clubs and residences. In addition, the main issue with many clubs is that they get government money. If they do, the policies are subject to more strict scrutiny.